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[nannyde]

Lastly. I realize Nan is highly respected on this forum and I fully expect her to earn my respect as well. Until then, I felt the need to speak (or write) my mind as this is what this forum is for.

Cheeky,

I don't expect you to understand or have respect for what I do. Our businesses are nothing alike.

You posted that you have had five staff assistants last year. I have had five in the last fifteen years. I don't expect you to understand or speak the same language when it comes to staff assistants, the costs, or duties.

If I had five staff assistants last year my parents would leave. I couldn't keep them but you can. That's a completely different parent.

IIRC..y ou have four years of doing day care. I'm about to begin my 18th year. I have nearly 32 in child care. I don't expect you to understand or respect my opinions. I wouldn't have understood in my fourth year what I get now in my 18th year. It takes TIME to evolve in this business.

You don't have paid days off. I have 18 per year. Getting THAT daycare parent... the one who will pay 3.5 weeks per year off is a completely different deal than having ones that don't pay any paid time off. My parents are going to be a completely different client for THAT reason alone.

Our businesses are NOT comparable. We wouldn't attract the same clients. We offer services that don't resemble each other in any way. I can't earn your respect. It's impossible. We are just too different.

[AmandasFCC]

Our regs say we can't run another business secondary to the daycare if it takes away from the care of the children. I'm not sure the specific wording but that is the jist of it.

I do Norwex and Usborne Books at Home. I do my ordering at nap time or int he evenings, and obviously do parties at night. No interference with the daycare or children and therefore, good to go!

[MNMum]

I am NICU RN and work some weekends and some Thursday evenings. I will only be doing daycare Monday thru Thursday. On the occasional Thursdays that I work, my husband subs from 2:30-4pm. I discuss this with parents during the interview and they always know ahead of time when this will be happening. I've never had anyone have a problem with this. They don't always meet my husband during the interview but before he takes care of their child.

[E Daycare]

I sell stuff on ebay (Ikea stuff at that, since not all states have one Ikea stuff is a trendy thing to buy Ive found out) so when naps roll around I either package stuff that needs to ship or upload my listing. For the most part when the kids are up and rolling I dont even have time to pee. So ignoring the kids isnt an option.

[spud912]

We were told at the licensing meeting that a second job was not allowed as you had to have time for sleeping. Lack of sleep would interfere with child care.

This makes me irritated! I personally believe that licensing has no right to tell you what you can do with your off time!

[momofboys]

I score standardized exams on a seasonal basis (spring & sometimes the fall) through Pearson Education. I can work any hours I want but during daycare hours I limit my work hours to evenings & weekends.

[CheekyChick]

From Nannyde:

Cheeky,

I don't expect you to understand or have respect for what I do. Our businesses are nothing alike.

I respect what ALL of us do. Child care is (IMO) one of the most important jobs on the planet.

You posted that you have had five staff assistants last year. I have had five in the last fifteen years. I don't expect you to understand or speak the same language when it comes to staff assistants, the costs, or duties.

My assistants are mainly college students working toward their teaching certificates. They are not available full time, so I rotate the five throughout the week. Since I care for 16 children, three work with our infants and two with our preschoolers.

If I had five staff assistants last year my parents would leave. I couldn't keep them but you can. That's a completely different parent.

My parents LOVE my assistants. They buy them gifts, friend them on Facebook, invite them to birthday parties, etc. We are a very tight knit group. Two have been here from day one, two for a long while (can't remember the exact date), and one is new. They are all AMAZING!!!

IIRC..y ou have four years of doing day care. I'm about to begin my 18th year. I have nearly 32 in child care. I don't expect you to understand or respect my opinions. I wouldn't have understood in my fourth year what I get now in my 18th year. It takes TIME to evolve in this business.

I have been in the child care/education field for 30+ years. I have worked in a preschool, a private school, and ran my own child care business in California. I
moved to Oregon and have been open 4 years (so far).

You don't have paid days off. I have 18 per year. Getting THAT daycare parent... the one who will pay 3.5 weeks per year off is a completely different deal than having ones that don't pay any paid time off. My parents are going to be a completely different client for THAT reason alone.

I get 11 paid days per year. Federal holidays, plus Christmas Eve. In all of the years I've been doing child care, I have never asked my parents to pay for my vacation time nor would I want them to.

As I mentioned earlier, I adore my parents. When we were redoing our play area, my parents donated over $1,000.00 for new play equipment. I think that says a lot about the quality of my parents.

Our businesses are NOT comparable. We wouldn't attract the same clients. We offer services that don't resemble each other in any way.

I know very little about your business and you know very little about mine. I believe all you know about mine is that that I offer water play.

I can't earn your respect. It's impossible. We are just too different.

It is not impossible to earn my respect. Even if I don't agree with someone on a certain issue, I can almost always find something good about them.

[CheekyChick]

I actually wasn't referring to one person. And I made the halo comment...someone else made the mean girls comment.

The general feel of that thread got very spiteful with a "only my way is right" attitude and VERY sarcastically and self-righteously questioning Nan on her every opinion. Do I agree with every single one of Nan's comments. Of course not...I'm not Nan. But I don't like seeing people torn down because of how they run THEIR OWN business. I don't want people to do it to me either and I am sure you don't.

I feel that we are ALL doing a great job filling a need for parents. What one parents thinks is a wonderful day care, may be one that other parents would pull their kids out of in a flash. THAT is what is good. Parents don't want cookie cutter providers.

I know that some providers probably think I am horrible for making the kids do chores. I happen to think it's VERY important for a well rounded child. But that's my opinion. I leave it up to the parents to decide. My current ones LOVE it.

I agree with most everything you said...

I am rethinking the "chores" issue. We make the children pick up toys and bring their tray to the sink, but my assistants do the majority of cleaning. I think it would be good for them to have a daily chore (sweeping, wiping down the lunch tables, cleaning the chalk board, etc.). I think I will implement a chore list next week.

[SandeeAR]

I sell stuff on ebay (Ikea stuff at that, since not all states have one Ikea stuff is a trendy thing to buy Ive found out) so when naps roll around I either package stuff that needs to ship or upload my listing. For the most part when the kids are up and rolling I dont even have time to pee. So ignoring the kids isnt an option.

Please PM me your ebay name, so I can look you up!

[PitterPatter]

Your monitor was just being petty. There is nothing wrong with crocheting while the kids are asleep! Nobody can expect a provider to just stare at sleeping kids for 2 hours. If it's not in writing in your state regs....then it doesn't matter what the monitor says. I say you go right back to crocheting. Most of us use nap time to catch up on paperwork, clean the kitchen etc. I know a lot of providers and I know not one of them just sits and stares at the kids.

Thanks Meek, I thought so too. In all honesty I do the dishes and run for a restroom break as well as paperwork and sweep and log in here too. I have only sat and stared at a sleeping child once and that was when his mother claimed he was lactose intolerant for 4 months then said to give him milk. Long story it's here somewhere. Turned out to be a crock of crap to get me to supply pediasure. Once the Food Prog manager stepped in and demanded the PROPER paperwork he was suddenly cured. Anyway the Food Prog manager said I should watch the clid closly and I too was afraid so I waited watching him sleep for over an hour incase he had a reaction or stopped breathing. I may pick my crochet hook back up soon.

[PitterPatter]

You are right...accidents DO happen. And we do everything in our power to make sure they don't. However....we are not expected to just stare at the kids all nap time because something MIGHT happen. Our regs say we must check on the kids every 15 minutes, but we do not have to even be in the same room. Now if somebody WANTS to watch the entire time...then kudos to them. But it's not REQUIRED. The monitor was out of line telling her she couldn't crochet. She would have been perfectly within her bounds to remind the provider to check on the kids throughout nap time. But I doubt anywhere
in the regs does it say no crocheting.

In your case. you forgot to put the yarn away. But a provider may forget to put a pen up and a child may hurt themselves with it later in the afternoon. A provider may forget to put her book away and a baby may eat a page and choke. A provider may leave her phone where a child can get it and they eat the battery. There are a million scenarios. But we can't bubble wrap the kids (that WOULD be against regs!) and we can't never turn away for even one second. We must childproof best we can and be vigilant and attentive. But crocheting is not against regs.

Just for the record I always crochet in the same room with the kids. All of my DCKs sleep in the living room on little beds. I crochet on the sofa and USUALLY zip the crochet in a plastic ziplock bag that bed sheets came in and drop it in the corner stand between the couches when the kids wake. They can't reach down there unless they climb over the couch.

I can see how the accident happened tho.

[nannyde]

From Nannyde:

Cheeky,

I don't expect you to understand or have respect for what I do. Our businesses are nothing alike.

I respect what ALL of us do. Child care is (IMO) one of the most important jobs on the planet.

You posted that you have had five staff assistants last year. I have had five in the last fifteen years. I don't expect you to understand or speak the same language when it comes to staff assistants, the costs, or duties.

My assistants are mainly college students working toward their teaching certificates. They are not available full time, so I rotate the five throughout the week. Since I care for 16 children, three work with our infants and two with our preschoolers.

If I had five staff assistants last year my parents would leave. I couldn't keep them but you can. That's a completely different parent.

My parents LOVE my assistants. They buy them gifts, friend them on Facebook, invite them to birthday parties, etc. We are a very tight knit group. Two have been here from day one, two for a long while (can't remember the exact date), and one is new. They are all AMAZING!!!

IIRC..y ou have four years of doing day care. I'm about to begin my 18th year. I have nearly 32 in child care. I don't expect you to understand or respect my opinions. I wouldn't have understood in my fourth year what I get now in my 18th year. It takes TIME to evolve in this business.

I have been in the child care/education field for 30+ years. I have worked in a preschool, a private school, and ran my own child care business in California. I
moved to Oregon and have been open 4 years (so far).

You don't have paid days off. I have 18 per year. Getting THAT daycare parent... the one who will pay 3.5 weeks per year off is a completely different deal than having ones that don't pay any paid time off. My parents are going to be a completely different client for THAT reason alone.

I get 11 paid days per year. Federal holidays, plus Christmas Eve. In all of the years I've been doing child care, I have never asked my parents to pay for my vacation time nor would I want them to.

As I mentioned earlier, I adore my parents. When we were redoing our play area, my parents donated over $1,000.00 for new play equipment. I think that says a lot about the quality of my parents.

Our businesses are NOT comparable. We wouldn't attract the same clients. We offer services that don't resemble each other in any way.

I know very little about your business and you know very little about mine. I believe all you know about mine is that that I offer water play.

I can't earn your respect. It's impossible. We are just too different.

It is not impossible to earn my respect. Even if I don't agree with someone on a certain issue, I can almost always find something good about them.

My mistake.

I haven't ran into anyone who stated their experience based on current location as opposed to actual time. :confused:

I haven't met a 30 year vet who would ask a question about how to manage nap for a two year old. :confused:

I haven't ran into anyone who was experienced with staff assistants (two that have been there for four years) ask about independent contractor status with 10 K in salary with five employees in one year. :confused::confused:

What does been in the "child care/education field" mean? I see that phrase used a lot and never know what it actually means.

[Unregistered]

Plain Mean

Cheeky,

I don't expect you to understand or have respect for what I do. Our businesses are nothing alike.

You posted that you have had five staff assistants last year. I have had five in the last fifteen years. I don't expect you to understand or speak the same language when it comes to staff assistants, the costs, or duties.

If I had five staff assistants last year my parents would leave. I couldn't keep them but you can. That's a completely different parent.

IIRC..y ou have four years of doing day care. I'm about to begin my 18th year. I have nearly 32 in child care. I don't expect you to understand or respect my opinions. I wouldn't have understood in my fourth year what I get now in my 18th year. It takes TIME to evolve in this business.

You don't have paid days off. I have 18 per year. Getting THAT daycare parent... the one who will pay 3.5 weeks per year off is a completely different deal than having ones that don't pay any paid time off. My parents are going to be a completely different client for THAT reason alone.

Our businesses are NOT comparable. We wouldn't attract the same clients. We offer services that don't resemble each other in any way. I can't earn your respect. It's impossible. We are just too different.

Wow.. this is just plain mean. You seem to be held up on a pedestal on this forum. And I have a hard time understanding why. You think you are better than everyone.. Your not. Try being nicer and realized that there are other ways of doing things. I don't care how long you have been doing child care or how long you've been a nurse. You have a horrible attitude and I would never leave my child with you. You probably try to tell your daycare parents how to raise there children too... Maybe you should spend more time with the children and less time on here.

[CheekyChick]

My mistake.

I haven't ran into anyone who stated their experience based on current location as opposed to actual time. :confused:

I haven't met a 30 year vet who would ask a question about how to manage nap for a two year old. :confused:

I haven't ran into anyone who was experienced with staff assistants (two that have been there for four years) ask about independent contractor status with 10 K in salary with five employees in one year.

What does been in the "child care/education field" mean? I see that phrase used a lot and never know what it actually means.

Nan, Would you like me to go through all of your old posts and question you on everything you've written in the past? I will be the bigger person and just respond to your post...

1. Past experience: I babysat as a tween/teen in the 70's. I worked at a preschool and as a nanny in the 80's. I ran a home-based child care business in the 90's. I worked at a private school from 2000 to 2006. I moved to Oregon and opened up a child care business which I've run for the past four years.

2. Nappers: I have never had problems with nappers until recently. I thought I knew every trick in the book, but I was wrong. That is why I asked for input. Even "vets" need suggestions/tips at times.

3. Payroll: I've never had assistants until I opened my child care business in Oregon. Thankfully, I now have a great accountant and bookkeeper that have helped me get on track.

4. Child care/education field: For me, it means that I've worked in both education (elementary school and preschool) and child care (nanny and daycare).

Anything else?

[Unregistered]

Wow.. this is just plain mean. You seem to be held up on a pedestal on this forum. And I have a hard time understanding why. You think you are better than everyone.. Your not. Try being nicer and realized that there are other ways of doing things. I don't care how long you have been doing child care or how long you've been a nurse. You have a horrible attitude and I would never leave my child with you. You probably try to tell your daycare parents how to raise there children too... Maybe you should spend more time with the children and less time on here.

Yes. I've wondered ever since I started reading this forum just why everyone seems so impressed w/ Nannyde. Experienced, yes, but I find it very off-putting the way almost every post of hers is all about "I do this, you should too. I am right, always." Perhaps it's just the style of how she writes, but I get such a feeling that she acts so superior to everyone else. And many on here treat her that way too. Perhaps she does have great things to say to be helpful, but the commander style of saying it just makes me cringe, makes it difficult for me to hear the helpfulness. There are nicer ways to get points across, without sounding so bossy. In my state, the regs do not allow us to do anything "social" that would interfere w/ supervising the children, let alone having other employment, and certainly not as many other endeavors as Nannyde has.