Vaccinations - Banging My Head

[lovemykidstoo]

I just saw on FB my niece talking about taking her 3 yr old to get shots. Saying that she'll probably need at least 4 because she hasn't had shots since she was 9 months old. huh?

[Blackcat31]

I know a lot of people who do delayed vaccinations.

I have a neighbor-friend that did not get any immunizations for their son until he was 3. Then he started getting all the regular vaccines that we normally begin giving at 2 months.

I don't know if it makes a difference or not but some claim it does.

[lovemykidstoo]

It just makes me nervous that she hasn't had any that would prevent MMR, Diptheria, flu and others etc. Seems to me anyway, that the risk does not outweigh the benefit.

[Blackcat31]

It just makes me nervous that she hasn't had any that would prevent MMR, Diptheria, flu and others etc. Seems to me anyway, that the risk does not outweigh the benefit.

My own kids were fully vaccinated and on the recommended schedule but I a seeing this (delayed vax) more and more.

There was a study done a while back about vaccines in China (maybe...don't quote me there) where their SIDS rate is virtually zero and the ONLY thing they do different than we do (other than live there) is vaccinate their kids with the same vaccines we do but don't begin any of them until age 2.

It's not something I am super educated about as my kids are older and I've already made the choice but I do see/hear about all sorts of different ways of approaching how/when to vaccinate your child. Or not to.

[TwinKristi]

This is really a controversial topic and more and more people are educating themselves on the risks and benefits of vaccines. People didn't know they had a choice for many years and now that they do, they're choosing not to. My 5th son had a reaction to his DTAP shot at 23mos and has a medical exemption for any future shots. I have selectively vaccinated my youngest after speaking in great length with our family dr of over 15yrs.

[lovemykidstoo]

This is really a controversial topic and more and more people are educating themselves on the risks and benefits of vaccines. People didn't know they had a choice for many years and now that they do, they're choosing not to. My 5th son had a reaction to his DTAP shot at 23mos and has a medical exemption for any future shots. I have selectively vaccinated my youngest after speaking in great length with our family dr of over 15yrs.

If you wouldn't mind, could you go into more detail? So, 4 of your children were fine with the shots, but the 5th son had a reaction? What was his reaction and what have you changed that you didn't do with your other 4 children.

[Crazy8]

there is a difference between educated delaying/declining vaccinations and lazy parents who just "forget" to bring their child for well visits and get their shots.

Funny cause today one of mine comes in and says child got 4 shots yesterday and needs more. I questioned why so many at once, she says she didn't know they need to go to the dr every few months when they are younger…. ummmm child is 18 months and hasn't been to the dr for well visit since 6 months old. I said it was always every 3 months from 0-12 and then every 6 months after (we use same pedi). Her 18m old was there for his 12m appt but missed his 9m too. And this is her 3rd kid. Just plain lazy.

[SignMeUp]

Providers here have some weird schedule of checking to be sure kids are up-to-date on their immunizations. Something like: for infants check every six months, toddlers every year, and SA every three years, though I don't remember the exact details.

I have my child care parents give me each immunization as they get it, so that I don't have to figure it all out later. Then about twice a year I go through all of the records to be sure no one has fallen behind.

I used to have lots of delayed-schedule immunizers, and quite a few non-immunizers. That information all has to be sent to our health department.
In the past few years, all of my parents have their children on the typical schedule.

What I can't remember is how late someone can be before I have to refuse entrance to child care. I know I have something on it here ... somewhere ::

(I have a new one starting who is very late on one shot, but they do plan to get it.)

As to the schedules in other countries: Interesting, but some of the vaccines we have specifically target diseases that hit children under two years old.


What I really wish: That physicians were the ones reporting this stuff directly to the state/licensing. There are so many immunizations now, and they could use an automated system instead of all this hand-written stuff. Plus half the time I end up using Dr. Google to find out what child had because the clinic gives the parent the brand name instead of what disease the immunization is for.

[Blackcat31]

Providers here have some weird schedule of checking to be sure kids are up-to-date on their immunizations. Something like: for infants check every six months, toddlers every year, and SA every three years, though I don't remember the exact details.

I have my child care parents give me each immunization as they get it, so that I don't have to figure it all out later. Then about twice a year I go through all of the records to be sure no one has fallen behind.

I used to have lots of delayed-schedule immunizers, and quite a few non-immunizers. That information all has to be sent to our health department.
In the past few years, all of my parents have their children on the typical schedule.

What I can't remember is how late someone can be before I have to refuse entrance to child care. I know I have something on it here ... somewhere ::

(I have a new one starting who is very late on one shot, but they do plan to get it.)

As to the schedules in other countries: Interesting, but some of the vaccines we have specifically target diseases that hit children under two years old.


What I really wish: That physicians were the ones reporting this stuff directly to the state/licensing. There are so many immunizations now, and they could use an automated system instead of all this hand-written stuff. Plus half the time I end up using Dr. Google to find out what child had because the clinic gives the parent the brand name instead of what disease the immunization is for.

I wasn't aware that there was a time line for that.

I have several delayed vaccinators and all I had to have was a written note from their doctor outlining that fact that they were educated delayed vaccinators and that the child will complete the immunization process before school entry.

I've never been told we can or have to deny non-vaxed kids entry into care.

[NeedaVaca]

Providers here have some weird schedule of checking to be sure kids are up-to-date on their immunizations. Something like: for infants check every six months, toddlers every year, and SA every three years, though I don't remember the exact details.

I have my child care parents give me each immunization as they get it, so that I don't have to figure it all out later. Then about twice a year I go through all of the records to be sure no one has fallen behind.

I used to have lots of delayed-schedule immunizers, and quite a few non-immunizers. That information all has to be sent to our health department.
In the past few years, all of my parents have their children on the typical schedule.

What I can't remember is how late someone can be before I have to refuse entrance to child care. I know I have something on it here ... somewhere ::

(I have a new one starting who is very late on one shot, but they do plan to get it.)

As to the schedules in other countries: Interesting, but some of the vaccines we have specifically target diseases that hit children under two years old.


What I really wish: That physicians were the ones reporting this stuff directly to the state/licensing. There are so many immunizations now, and they could use an automated system instead of all this hand-written stuff. Plus half the time I end up using Dr. Google to find out what child had because the clinic gives the parent the brand name instead of what disease the immunization is for.

There is an automated system but I believe you have to be a nurse to access it. My school uses it and my SIL had access to it when she was working as a nurse because I had her look up my kids records.

[Blackcat31]

There is an automated system but I believe you have to be a nurse to access it. My school uses it and my SIL had access to it when she was working as a nurse because I had her look up my kids records.

We have something similar here... it's called My Chart.

https://www.allinahealth.org/ahs/mychart.nsf/page/mychart

I can access all my medical records and print off the imm records but I can only access MY family.

[TwinKristi]

If you wouldn't mind, could you go into more detail? So, 4 of your children were fine with the shots, but the 5th son had a reaction? What was his reaction and what have you changed that you didn't do with your other 4 children.

Well that's kinda the problem with vaccines, you don't know how each individual person will react to their vaccines. Having a fever, soreness, rash, etc can be normal but for my son his leg got very swollen and around the injection site was a purple splotchy rash. He had a hard time walking on it as well. I took him back in and they confirmed it was a reaction, he had a DTAP in that leg so most likely an aluminum reaction but another dr later said it's actually more likely from the tetanus than aluminum as ALL vaccines have aluminum in them.
Why he reacted and my first 4 didn't I don't know, but he also has immune issues and chronic infections. He's had pneumonia several times, ruptured ear drum, numerous ear infections, asthma, allergies... When we get sick we all get better in a few days but he takes a good week or more. He's in 4th grade this year and in 2nd grade he was literally sick from Aug to May. He was better during summer and didn't get very sick at all last year. The last week he's started coughing so he's back on his preventative inhaler and I have to pick up his rescue inhaler today since he was up all night coughing. The only major difference from our first 4 and my 5th was he didn't go to daycare until he was 2. He went to our church nursery and preschool at 2, but his frequent illnesses had already been in full effect by then.

That's why I personally chose to wait for my 6th son. He has had a couple vaccines, Hib and Pnuemococcal as my dr felt those were the most important at his age and have the least incidence of adverse reactions and very mild reactions if any. I did 1 at 4mos, 2 at 6mos, 2 at 8mos and maybe 1 at his 2yr appt for Polio or DTAP? I don't remember honestly but know he's had his Hib and Prevnar up to date. But I will say that he is BY FAR the healthiest of my children. We've had so many kids in and out of our home. He's had the flu twice, Dec 12
& 13, and a stomach virus, Dec 12 and March 14, but no medical treatment needed. He had a round of antibiotics at 12mos for a suspected sinus infection but I probably should have declined because he ended up with thrush and it wasn't fun. He's had a runny nose and such but never anything major like my other boys.
And I'm not delaying them due to autism as much as I'm delaying them to allow for his immune system to develop naturally. I feel we've overwhelmed our children's bodies with all this gunk and hindered it's ability to build it's immunities naturally. Also, we have so many more vaccines now then when we were kids. We used to get like 15 by age 5 and now they get something like 50! I have a visual chart somewhere I could link. Hepatitis B for newborns and HPV for Tweens. My friend's daughter got the Gardidil vaccines and has had chronic hives every since. Literally the week after. Horrible, debilitating hives that cause her entire face and mouth to swell up and it's the 3rd most commonly reported side effect for the vaccine.

[Blackcat31]

Here are several other threads about vaccinations/immunizations

https://www.daycare.com/forum/tags.php?tag=vaccinations

LOTS of great info from both sides of the argument

[SignMeUp]

There is an automated system but I believe you have to be a nurse to access it. My school uses it and my SIL had access to it when she was working as a nurse because I had her look up my kids records.

All the more reason that child care providers shouldn't have to track this

[SignMeUp]

I guess I will spend naptime reading the state statute. On first pass, I notice something about 18 months to catch up. I think it was 8 months at one point. Maybe they are accommodating the late-vaxers.