Do The Unlicensed Daycares Advertise?

[momofboys]

In my state (Ohio) a provider isn't required to be registered or licensed. I advertise and it isn't illegal.

[Blackcat31]

I understand where you are coming from, but a license is in NO WAY a guarantee that none of those things won't happen.

If fencing is an absolute necessity for child care and safety reasons, why don't ALL states require fenced in yards?

What about the licensed provider who has a boyfriend or a friend or anyone not on her license that is a sex offender and comes into the home?

My state doesn't require a mental health evaluation to be done at all.

A neighboring child care provider who IS licensed had her own child removed by CPS due to some issues that had NOTHING to do with her ability to care for daycare kids. She is still licensed.

I also know someone who has had their parental rights terminated and works in child care.

I am just pointing out that there are many licensed and unlicensed child cares out there and I do NOT believe for one second that having a license makes anyone a better provider than the next.

I am not saying I would personally be willing to break the law and operate illegally if my state required me to have a license but it surely doesn't make me a better provider just because I do have a license.

[Candy]

I can care for 7 children not including the ones related to me. No i am not licensed and yes i can advertise. I don't have a license because i will be moving so it would pointless right now.

[Lori's Family Daycare]

Is it eligible for an unlicensed home daycare to advertise on different web sites ' criagslist as an exaplme' ? does it mean they are eligible to have this business or they are observed by the state?

I am in Wisconsin and I am "Certified" with the county I live in. I have taken the required childcare courses to open my home for daycare and I can have multiple families but can only have 3 children under age 7 and 3 over age 7.
I advertise on craigslist, I am going to open a business account on Facebook that is linked to a website that I am building. I believe I can that my website to the state childcare site as well since I am registered there as well.

[Lori's Family Daycare]

Is it eligible for an unlicensed home daycare to advertise on different web sites ' criagslist as an exaplme' ? does it mean they are eligible to have this business or they are observed by the state?

check the your city or county if there is another avenue than licensing. I myself don't have a big enough home for licensed in my state. I need 35 sq ft per child of play space. I don't have that. So I went the route of getting certified through my county that I reside.

[Lori's Family Daycare]

Exactly! We do have to go through a lot, both with time and money. I don't have a problem with unlicensed providers IF it is legal! It will always be up for debate and people will get mad, but there are plenty of laws that are debatable and will cause conflict.

I had to go through time and money as well..being "certified" through the county here in WI. Youngstar as well. Yeah it's alot and I am sure licensing is alot more. But I have taken the same hrs of education for certification. Don't disrespect all non licensed care providers out there!

[Unregistered]

In MI you have to have a license to watch any kids who are unrelated to you, but there are always ads on CL for unlicensed childcare providers. Here unless someone reports you, the state rarely will come after you. There are not enough resources to investigate everyone. No offense if you are unlicensed and need to be, but it drives me crazy to see these people advertise when they are unlicensed, especially since it's illegal here. I put a lot of time and money into opening my in home because you are supposed to have a license. Someone around my area even put an ad on CL stating how it's illegal to run an unlicensed daycare, but people still do it. Now if it's legal to provide unlicensed care, more power to you to advertise!

Most of the women fyi are often homemakers or older who only watch a child or two. My sister had a great lady in her neighborhood that watched my nieces till they went to school.
My own feeling is jealousy is counter-productive, and you don't know someone's situation if they are licensed, getting a license; etc.

You are right in MI and most states there isn't much they can do. In my experience the licensed daycares get in trouble the most because disgruntled parents make bogus claims.
My friend recently gave up her license because of all the nuts she regretted giving her personal info. to and other problems associated. IMO its up to the individual, and you do not know their circumstances.

[Willow]

Is it eligible for an unlicensed home daycare to advertise on different web sites ' criagslist as an exaplme' ? does it mean they are eligible to have this business or they are observed by the state?

All opinions here aside, it all depends on where you live. If your operating is considered legal in your state/county then advertising for it would be legal too. If your operating is *NOT* considered legal in your state/county then obviously advertising for illegal activities wouldn't fly either.

Some across the board examples:
-You can sell a car on Craigslist or in the newspaper, but not illegal drugs.
-You can offer the general public piano lessons on Craigslist or in the newspaper, but you can not solicit business for an unlicensed tattoo parlor you run out of your basement.

Advertising that you sell illegal drugs or run an unlicensed tattoo parlor out of your home (or are running a daycare out of your home when it's prohibited by law without certain stipulations being met) would leave you open to being investigated, fined, prosecuted etc.

[bunnyslippers]

I understand where you are coming from, but a license is in NO WAY a guarantee that none of those things won't happen.

If fencing is an absolute necessity for child care and safety reasons, why don't ALL states require fenced in yards?

What about the licensed provider who has a boyfriend or a friend or anyone not on her license that is a sex offender and comes into the home?

My state doesn't require a mental health evaluation to be done at all.

A neighboring child care provider who IS licensed had her own child removed by CPS due to some issues that had NOTHING to do with her ability to care for daycare kids. She is still licensed.

I also know someone who has had their parental rights terminated and works in child care.

I am just pointing out that there are many licensed and unlicensed child cares out there and I do NOT believe for one second that having a license makes anyone a better provider than the next.

I am not saying I would personally be willing to break the law and operate illegally if my state required me to have a license but it surely doesn't make me a better provider just because I do have a license.

In my state, you are required to be licensed, even if you are caring for one child that is not your own.

I have to say, I am completely disillusioned with the entire process. As BC says, a license does not make you a better provider.

Since I have had my license for the past 5 years, I have not seen or heard from any member of the licensing department UNLESS I NEEDED TO PAY A RENEWAL FEE. I feel that licensing is a complete joke, and that the only reason for it is to collect money.

I know that I am a good provider, and that my licensor has faith in my ability to care for children. I know she is overworked and has a very full caseload. She tells me at each renewal visit that she is supposed to do a follow up visit, but that she probably will not. And she never has.

I truly feel that the amount of money and time it takes to conform to regulations is unnecessary.

[Country Kids]

Our CC&R checks Craigslist daily for new ads. They know who is registered and who isn't. They follow up with every ad that is an unregistered provider.

Its amazing how quickly those ads actually disapear when they realize that licensing actually follows that sight.

[rmc20021]

It should not matter what the situation is that causes a person to provide care for children in their home if it's not legal in their state.
Personally, I would not want someone caring for my child who is willing to break this law. If they don't care enough about following the laws in one area, why would I trust them to follow the laws in other areas, thus having access to my child?
It's about what is right or wrong. It's a law. Period. That's only one thing. Doesn't even include anything else that is involved with operating a legitimate business. And even if they are only caring for a couple of their friends children...they are still getting paid for it and it's still considered a business. Just an illegal business. PERIOD!!!
In MI there was a woman who was caring for neighbor children from the time parents had to leave to work and the tiime the kids had to leave for school...and not charging for it. Below is a link to what happened in that situation. NOT saying it was wrong of her to do this, but the fact of the matter is that it IS a law, and there are consequences if caught. And if not caught and something does happen, it could be very costly for the person providing care.
Even when I was licensed before, one of the reason's I stopped doing daycare was because of the way the parents would allow their kids to behave at pickup times. One little girl jumped from the top step of my porch into her dad's arms and he was not prepared. That could have been disasterous...and a lawsuit. Fortunately as licensed providers we have insurance available to us to help protect us in those situations...what about the unlicense caregivers? Are they really prepared to deal with a lawsuit should something unforeseen arise?
There are just so many, many reason why an unlicesensed caregiver should not provide care for children and I for one would not be someone who is willing to take those chances.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_momsatwork/2009/09/michigan-mom-day-care-bus-stop-helping-out.html

[Willow]

Our CC&R checks Craigslist daily for new ads. They know who is registered and who isn't. They follow up with every ad that is an unregistered provider.

Its amazing how quickly those ads actually disapear when they realize that licensing actually follows that sight.

This is awesome.

I wish all were that diligent.

[Unregistered]

Advertising without a license?

My question is, what is the way to legally advertise your UPCOMING home day care pre licensing? I understand i am unable to accept children in my care without a license; however I would like to get a list of families going for when I do become licensed. Can I advertise and just state “license pending” in the advertisement? is it legal to advertise in that way?

[Michael]

My question is, what is the way to legally advertise your UPCOMING home day care pre licensing? I understand i am unable to accept children in my care without a license; however I would like to get a list of families going for when I do become licensed. Can I advertise and just state “license pending” in the advertisement? is it legal to advertise in that way?

That really does depend on your state. In California you cannot advertise for any reason without having a childcare license unless you are license-exempt as a church, etc.

[Cat Herder]

My question is, what is the way to legally advertise your UPCOMING home day care pre licensing? I understand i am unable to accept children in my care without a license; however I would like to get a list of families going for when I do become licensed. Can I advertise and just state “license pending” in the advertisement? is it legal to advertise in that way?

In my state you can enroll up to 2 kids and advertise as license pending. Once your license is granted, you can then enroll 4 more, max.

Every state is different. That fact is frustrating at times, but it is also nice to know that I can move 30 minutes away and double the number of kids I can have, without even being licensed, if I really get too sick of the rules and regs in my state. It is always one of those "be careful what you ask for" things when it comes to universal rules. Freedom of choice always wins that battle to me.