Laws For Cleaning And Napping

[Unregistered]

You could say the same about the parents

My son's daycare provider purposely makes the room really dark and puts the children in play yards with pillows and blankets so they think it's night time and will sleep for 3-4 hours. All parents at the daycare have complained about their children not sleeping at night, but she does this so she can do whatever she wants to do. Or she often sleeps too while the children are naping (I would love to be able to take a nap at my desk in the middle of my day!! ...). When I ask her about this she tells me that she won't wake a sleeping child because they get cranky, but isn't this extreme? My son doesn't go to bed until almost 10 everynight and then it's a fight to wake him up in the morning.

All the providers in this forum do is complain, but they all choose to be day care providers!! Everyone has a personal choice on what they chose to do especially when they have their own business. I choose to work in an office environment...I have paper work and stuff that needs to be done and would love a chance to just do it and catch up on stuff...but guess what? all my "main work" comes first. If I don't like it...I could find a new profession. Why do providers act like they're so different? I have to stay after 5 alot of the time or work at home to do stuff that I couldn't get done during the day. I don't want to nor do I like doing it...but I have to do my job at any cost. Appearently day care providers are immune to that and should have the children sleep for hours on end so that they have their precious time to get their stuff done?

I guess I dont understand why the toys/rooms can't be disinfected right after the children leave? How is this any different from a parent who leaves work to pick up their child, but has to turn their lap top on once they walk in the door to finish up something that they needed done that day? (which I have to do daily) We all have a tough job to do...why can't that just be the way it is? Instead of what I see in this forum that parents do nothing all day, don't care about their children and just drop them off at daycare to be a burden on all you providers so you can complain about what you choose to do?

Good for her, my kids typically sleep 1-3 hours depending on the child. Consider yourself lucky, you get to spend quality time with your child at night! And we know all you parents out there that work f/t want those extra hours to be with your precious little ones!

And I'm sure your not complaining because you also chose to become a parent!!!

[youretooloud]

My son's daycare provider purposely makes the room really dark and puts the children in play yards with pillows and blankets so they think it's night time and will sleep for 3-4 hours. All parents at the daycare have complained about their children not sleeping at night, but she does this so she can do whatever she wants to do. Or she often sleeps too while the children are naping (I would love to be able to take a nap at my desk in the middle of my day!! ...).

I have a hard time believing any provider would let a child sleep 3-4 hours. I think the parents who are complaining about the child not sleeping are the parents who want the child to go to bed right after dinner. I understand the parents are tired and have things to do, but it's not the provider's problem. The parent needs to parent.

Now, a four year old probably doesn't need a nap every day. But, a two year old still needs a nap. The parents need to make arrangements in their schedule if having their child awake at 8:30 or 9:00 is a huge problem, they need to find a way to make it work without saying "I think little precious needs to start staying awake and should be highly entertained during naptime because it's starting to upset my alone time".

Of course we make it comfey and quiet for sleeping... that would defeat the purpose of nap time to have the kids sit down without pillows and a dark room.

[Unregistered]

laughing out loud

I wasn't going to respond to this post, but I feel like I have to.

Do you have any idea how long it would take for providers to do all of their cleaning after all of the kids leave for the day? If you had even the slightest idea how long it takes, you wouldn't even suggest that providers wait until after the kids leave to clean. That is a foolish suggestion.

As far as your provider goes, if she is sleeping during naptime, take it up with her! Don't assume that all other providers do that, too. Most of us are actually working for a good portion of nap time.

If you can't get your child to sleep at night, then maybe you should examine what your child's bedtime ritual consists of. A nap at daycare shouldn't have that much of an affect as long as it's a reasonable amount of time and the child isn't sleeping too late.

Most of us put in longer days than ANY of the parents of the children in our care. If we didn't try to get as much done during naptime as we could, then our days would be even longer still. Don't make it seem like your situation is the same as ours. It's not.

Lastly, naptime is important for children in daycare. I'm not saying that they need to sleep, but they do need some down time. Consider that.

I probably do know how long it takes to clean a daycare since I have to clean my house also? My son has just as many toys that need to be cleaned, I have dishes and everything else...maybe a little extra time for the extra few dishes (his daycare is small, only 3-4 kids on anyday).

and why are you telling me to examine my bedtime ritual, if I mentioned nothing of it? It's not the bedtime ritual, its the extra long nap he has. I find it funny all the parents are complaining? my son has a good bedtime ritual that we do every night. dinner, play time, 1 show, a bath, 2 books, and then he gets tucked in. A 3-4 hour nap when he should only be sleeping 1-2 at the most would obviously have a huge inpact on when he's going to actually fall asleep! can you take a 4 hour name in the middle of the day and fall asleep ontime? i can't!

and you're telling me you put in a longer day than me also? that's funny cause I don't think I mentioned my hours here? I'm not going to argue about who puts a longer day in...that's just petty. As my post stated I said, why can't it be acknowledge that both providers and parents have tough jobs and be left at that? buy you appreantly needed to prove your job is tougher!

But then again...I'm sure you assume I'm one of those parents that just want my kid to go to bed at 5pm when we walk in the door so I don't have to deal wit him right? Since that's what all you providers think about parents...I forgot

Lastly...I never said my child shouldn't nap. He obviously does need a nap at 2 years old. A nap of 1-2 hours is perfect. Not 3-4.

[Unregistered]

I probably do know how long it takes to clean a daycare since I have to clean my house also? My son has just as many toys that need to be cleaned, I have dishes and everything else...maybe a little extra time for the extra few dishes (his daycare is small, only 3-4 kids on anyday).

and why are you telling me to examine my bedtime ritual, if I mentioned nothing of it? It's not the bedtime ritual, its the extra long nap he has. I find it funny all the parents are complaining? my son has a good bedtime ritual that we do every night. dinner, play time, 1 show, a bath, 2 books, and then he gets tucked in. A 3-4 hour nap when he should only be sleeping 1-2 at the most would obviously have a huge inpact on when he's going to actually fall asleep! can you take a 4 hour name in the middle of the day and fall asleep ontime? i can't!

and you're telling me you put in a longer day than me also? that's funny cause I don't think I mentioned my hours here? I'm not going to argue about who puts a longer day in...that's just petty. As my post stated I said, why can't it be acknowledge that both providers and parents have tough jobs and be left at that? buy you appreantly needed to prove your job is tougher!

But then again...I'm sure you assume I'm one of those parents that just want my kid to go to bed at 5pm when we walk in the door so I don't have to deal wit him right? Since that's what all you providers think about parents...I forgot

Lastly...I never said my child shouldn't nap. He obviously does need a nap at 2 years old. A nap of 1-2 hours is perfect. Not 3-4.

It is funny that you mention that "all you providers" think this way about parents! Sounds too me like you are the one being judgemental about all of us providers!!! You have not heard all of our opinions nor did anyone say anything about "all parents" wanting to to put their children to bed at 5pm. If you don't like your provider you can find a new one. I just feel bad for whoever it is since you seem to have quite a bit of anger towards providers in general. Good luck with that!

[Unregistered]

It is funny that you mention that "all you providers" think this way about parents! Sounds too me like you are the one being judgemental about all of us providers!!! You have not heard all of our opinions nor did anyone say anything about "all parents" wanting to to put their children to bed at 5pm. If you don't like your provider you can find a new one. I just feel bad for whoever it is since you seem to have quite a bit of anger towards providers in general. Good luck with that!

Not all of them...just the ones on this forum. I have a good relationship with my provider (we can talk stuff out even if we dont always agree). I never thought this way until I came here and saw how most of the providers on here just blame everything on that parents dont care and they are the ones really taking care of our kids. My provider doesnt act like that. In my original post I was simply stating a situation that was happening, but look what happened? The providers on here automatically assumed I was a bad parent and it was something im doing wrong and talk about how much tougher theyre job is than mine? Come on?

[Unregistered]

For one you cannot make children sleep 4 hours, so doubtful the children are sleeping that long to begin with. In a busy daycare, children will sleep 1-3 hours though I will wake mine up after 2.5. I will bet this is more than likely the case, and if I ever had a child sleep that long that would be a clear indicator it was needed because they didn't sleep the night before.

Its a simple solution, just ask your provider to wake him up after 2 hours. I am sure she will comply. Mainly providers are similar in their thinking, and believe me yours is no different. She may even be on here for all you know. Anyone that has been a provider for a significant amount of time knows its a lot about politics.

[youretooloud]

He obviously does need a nap at 2 years old. A nap of 1-2 hours is perfect. Not 3-4.

But.. if that is true. (and I still have a hard time thinking it is) then you need a new provider. There is no reason for a child over 12 months to sleep that long in one day.

I wonder if he's actually sleeping that long? Maybe nap is from 12:00-2:00, but he's falling asleep at 1:50... so she lets him sleep for an hour or so before waking him.

I always say "never wake a sleeping child". But, I'd never let a kid sleep til 3:30 or 4:00. So, that's what makes me think you are misunderstanding it.

[dave4him]

If i keep them busy enough they tend to nap anyway. The ground rules state there needs to be a rest time and rest mats ready for them to take naps. But im not sure if we would get in trouble if they were not sleeping during the specific time planned for them to be

[Unregistered]

I watched a child once who NEEDED to sleep 4-5hrs every day. His mom ALWAYS had something planned for them to go to after she picked up. They didn't get home until 9 or 9:30 most nights so he wasn't in bed until 10. She had to wake a crabby boy at 7 to get him here by 7:45. He was always an absolute bear if he didn't get that long nap in. Nine hours of night time sleep just isn't enough for a little fella. He didn't sleep well at night and she always looked at me kind of funny when he'd still be sleeping at 4:30 when she got here, but what else was I to do? She wouldn't stay home to put him to bed at a decent time so I let him sleep. He NEVER napped on the weekends so come Monday, this child pretty much slept all day, exhausted from the weekend. It was SO sad, and what's more sad is that now that he's in school, he doesn't know how to act around other kids. He gets in fights and is just plain naughty. The mom doesn't have a clue what she should do about it and feels like she failed somewhere. They're still doing LOTS of after work activities and yes, I'm guessing it's to keep him busy so she doesn't have to deal with him. She's never understood that while an adult needs 8 hours of sleep, that a child needs MORE sleep.

So, are some parents great parents? Yes, of course! Are some parents not so stellar? Yes, we see it all the time. Do we need to discuss what to do with the great parents? No, not really. Do we need to discuss the not so stellar ones? Yes, how else would we get opinions on how to deal with them? Nobody needs help dealing with the great parents, even though they DO exist.

[dave4him]

Kids just like to sleep when they want to sleep

[REWALKER04]

Not all of them...just the ones on this forum. I have a good relationship with my provider (we can talk stuff out even if we dont always agree). I never thought this way until I came here and saw how most of the providers on here just blame everything on that parents dont care and they are the ones really taking care of our kids. My provider doesnt act like that. In my original post I was simply stating a situation that was happening, but look what happened? The providers on here automatically assumed I was a bad parent and it was something im doing wrong and talk about how much tougher theyre job is than mine? Come on?

so stop coming on this forum if you dont like what the people have to say here. Easy as that~Alot of this forum is providers to providers just venting to help out the day or to get advise.This forum isnt mandatory in your life so maybe you should move on. Dont get worked up so much for something that if your provider is on the same page as you doesnt matter. Each provider is different and therefor has different views. Those views are how they decide to run there business and if you dont agree who cares because your child does not attend there. And all the families that go there are probably sharing that providers view otherwise it is up to them to work it out.

[Countrygal]

Just to put your mind at ease, our state doesn't have rules about how often we have to disinfect, but the center I worked at before this disinfected toys daily in the infant and toddler rooms are disinfected daily and the older rooms were on a schedule where each center was disinfected weekly. And if we hadn't had nap time, we coldnt have gotten the cleaning done. Now that I am a home provider, I try to disinfect once a week. Not all daycares are bad!!

Ditto here. I don't think our state certification has any rules, but I disinfect all toys that were played with weekly - and yes, I know what they've played with. They are all in bins and if even one toy has been out of that bin they all get disinfected.

[itlw8]

I have no idea what your state regulations are but Missouri clearly states all children under school age must be provided with a place to lay down and rest. If after 1 hour they have not fallen asleep they should be let up and provided with quiet activites.

So yes in Missouri the state says your child must lay down for a nap. If they do not sleep they can get up in an hour. no where does it say I should make a child sleep or make a child stay awake.

[itlw8]

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I guess I dont understand why the toys/rooms can't be disinfected right after the children leave? How is this any different from a parent who leaves work to pick up their child, but has to turn their lap top on once they walk in the door to finish up something that they needed done that day? (which I have to do daily) We all have a tough job to do...why can't that just be the way it is? Instead of what I see in this forum that parents do nothing all day, don't care about their children and just drop them off at daycare to be a burden on all you providers so you can complain about what you choose to do?

Well I work 10 1/2 hour days so parents can work 8 hour days, take a lunch break ,and drive 2 and from work. I get no lunch break, no morning break, nothing. If I want to go to the bathroom I need to hear them at all times or wait until they are asleep. Nap time is the only time

Why do I not sanitize all toys daily? Well to remove all toys from the shelves. Wash rinse , sanitize and then let air dry before replacing on the shelves. takes about 3 hours then the regular cleaning and prep for the next day. Well my family would like to eat before 10 PM and you would have one burnt out tired provider if I needed to work 15 hour days before I even started taking care of my own family.

I love my work but If I needed to work 75 hours a week I would not like it very long would I? If you are doing 7 hours af paperwork on your laptop each evening I bet even you could use a nap.

[Countrygal]

Actually, I have one boy who often sleeps three hours. His parents know this and agree that he takes a long nap. They are used to it. If you wake him up he is a BEAR!!! A lot depends upon what we've done that day - how long we've played outside, whether we've had other physical activities, like dancing, etc. If we eat a late lunch he is literally running for his blankets and cot as soon as it is over!

My own gs was like this. He didn't give up his nap until way after age 4, and honestly, some days he still needs one at 5yo, depending upon the day.

But then, I don't have half a dozen others running around, or I'm sure he wouldn't sleep that long.

And I do put on soft music and turn down the lights in the room they are having their quiet time in. For other children they must relax for 1 hour. I have an open concept house, so the lights remain on in other areas, so it is not "black like night". I am of the same opinion as others here that children NEED this down time, that it is actually cruel NOT to give them a break from all of the sensory load.