Camera for In-Home Daycare?

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We have multiple cameras inside and out. Parents are allowed to watch via an app and it is universally loved by all parents. We do not record sound nor can parents listen in. That would be one step too far. It is part of our contract with the families and not one has had a problem.

It is not about whether or not the parents trust you, it is to protect the children and to provide answers to how that bump happened or any other kind of event that a parent should know about. It is nice to be trusted, but not everybody will believe you. So the protection goes both ways. The childcare providers have protection against bogus accusations, which happens all the time. If you read all of the parent comments on Yelp or my home page, you would realize how important accountability is to these people. If you can take your dog to a doggie daycare and watch your dog play, why can't you do that with your child?

We are a few weeks away from launching the company and we are planning on franchising it so that as many kids can be monitored by their families as soon as possible. We will also be paying the daycare providers over $2500.00 per year to be part of our program.

If this business, in home daycare, didn't have such a negative stigma attached, there would no need for monitoring. But is does and frankly, if you read the papers or do the research, you will find appalling crimes committed on a daily basis because nobody is watch the people watching our children.

I own my in home daycare, and I cannot imagine not granting access to the people that are not only giving me their child, but they are also paying all of my bills with the enrollment. I owe the the right to see what goes on here.

Times are changing and this industry is going to as well. I am committed to making that happen, nationwide.

[Blackcat31]

We have multiple cameras inside and out. Parents are allowed to watch via an app and it is universally loved by all parents. We do not record sound nor can parents listen in. That would be one step too far. It is part of our contract with the families and not one has had a problem.

It is not about whether or not the parents trust you, it is to protect the children and to provide answers to how that bump happened or any other kind of event that a parent should know about. It is nice to be trusted, but not everybody will believe you. So the protection goes both ways. The childcare providers have protection against bogus accusations, which happens all the time. If you read all of the parent comments on Yelp or my home page, you would realize how important accountability is to these people. If you can take your dog to a doggie daycare and watch your dog play, why can't you do that with your child?

We are a few weeks away from launching the company and we are planning on franchising it so that as many kids can be monitored by their families as soon as possible. We will also be paying the daycare providers over $2500.00 per year to be part of our program.

If this business, in home daycare, didn't have such a negative stigma attached, there would no need for monitoring. But is does and frankly, if you read the papers or do the research, you will find appalling crimes committed on a daily basis because nobody is watch the people watching our children.

I own my in home daycare, and I cannot imagine not granting access to the people that are not only giving me their child, but they are also paying all of my bills with the enrollment. I owe the the right to see what goes on here.

Times are changing and this industry is going to as well. I am committed to making that happen, nationwide.

:: I have no words. ::

[Snowmom]

We have multiple cameras inside and out. Parents are allowed to watch via an app and it is universally loved by all parents. We do not record sound nor can parents listen in. That would be one step too far. It is part of our contract with the families and not one has had a problem.

It is not about whether or not the parents trust you, it is to protect the children and to provide answers to how that bump happened or any other kind of event that a parent should know about. It is nice to be trusted, but not everybody will believe you. So the protection goes both ways. The childcare providers have protection against bogus accusations, which happens all the time. If you read all of the parent comments on Yelp or my home page, you would realize how important accountability is to these people. If you can take your dog to a doggie daycare and watch your dog play, why can't you do that with your child?

We are a few weeks away from launching the company and we are planning on franchising it so that as many kids can be monitored by their families as soon as possible. We will also be paying the daycare providers over $2500.00 per year to be part of our program.

If this business, in home daycare, didn't have such a negative stigma attached, there would no need for monitoring. But is does and frankly, if you read the papers or do the research, you will find appalling crimes committed on a daily basis because nobody is watch the people watching our children.

I own my in home daycare, and I cannot imagine not granting access to the people that are not only giving me their child, but they are also paying all of my bills with the enrollment. I owe the the right to see what goes on here.

Times are changing and this industry is going to as well. I am committed to making that happen, nationwide.

Wow. Just wow.
Nothing like a little fear mongering to sell a product.

[Unregistered]

Fear Mongering

Labeling this a fear mongering is a bit premature, considering that you know very little about how this will work. There is no cost to the daycare provider, in fact they will profit from being part of my our program thru the funds they will receive from us.

Here is a fact, kids are routinely abused in the in-home daycare, emotionally, physically and sexually. Children also have died in daycare, often at the hands of their care provider. The numbers are staggering and if you feel that I am fear mongering, great. But it is not to sell a product, it is to protect the children that need protecting from the people that their parents entrusted to care for them. So I have no problem pointing out what many do not know about this business.

I am not a outsider looking to cash in here, I am a daycare owner that has seen it in practice for 4 years now. When something happens here that a parent should know about, I send them the video of the event and that is end of any bad thoughts by a parent.

Part of our program will be to take some of that money and use it as a financial safety net for our members. A larger part will go into our nonprofit to provide our services free of charge in areas that cannot afford it. So before you prejudge our concept, realize that you are in a business where children are hurt on a daily basis. If you are okay with that and see no reason to so something to stop as much of that abuse as possible, then you are free not to join. That is your absolute right. But before you know what we are going to be about, perhaps you should hold the negative comments. It makes you sound like you have something to hide.

[Unregistered]

I'll bite.

Give us the numbers.

Quote: "Here is a fact, kids are routinely abused in the in-home daycare, emotionally, physically and sexually. Children also have died in daycare, often at the hands of their care provider. The numbers are staggering..."

[nannyde]

But is does and frankly, if you read the papers or do the research, you will find appalling crimes committed on a daily basis because nobody is watch the people watching our children.

Would you do us the favor and actually DO the research?

Start here:

Perpetrator Relationship
Victim data were analyzed by relationship of (duplicate count) victims to their perpetrators. Four-fifths (81.2%) of victims were maltreated by a parent either acting alone or with someone else. Nearly two-fifths (36.8%) of victims were maltreated by their mother acting alone. One-fifth (19.0%) of victims were maltreated by their father acting alone. One-fifth (18.9%) of victims were maltreated by both parents. Thirteen percent (12.8%) of victims were maltreated by a perpetrator who was not a parent of the child. (See exhibit 3–H and related notes.)

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/cm11.pdf#page=80

Read the entire thing if you are TRULY concerned about the children. Pay special attention to the data regarding who actually injures and kills children. You will see study after study that child care providers are a mere blip on the radar.


Exhibit 3–H Victims by Perpetrator Relationship, 2011 (duplicate count)
Perpetrator Relationship
Relationship Number PERCENTAGE


Mother (number) 253,107 PERCENTAGE 36.8

Father (number) 130,670 PERCENTAGE 19.0

Mother and Father(number) 129,793 PERCENTAGE 18.9

Mother and Other (number) 38,927 PERCENTAGE 5.7

Partner of Parent (Male) (number)16,734 PERCENTAGE 2.4

Relative (Male) (number) 19,905 PERCENTAGE 2.8


Child Daycare Provider(number) 2,474 PERCENTAGE 0.4

You will find appalling crimes committed on a daily basis because nobody is watching the parents.

Start with cameras at home... then we will agree with your premise.

[Mike]

Would you do us the favor and actually DO the research?

Start here:

Perpetrator Relationship
Victim data were analyzed by relationship of (duplicate count) victims to their perpetrators. Four-fifths (81.2%) of victims were maltreated by a parent either acting alone or with someone else. Nearly two-fifths (36.8%) of victims were maltreated by their mother acting alone. One-fifth (19.0%) of victims were maltreated by their father acting alone. One-fifth (18.9%) of victims were maltreated by both parents. Thirteen percent (12.8%) of victims were maltreated by a perpetrator who was not a parent of the child. (See exhibit 3–H and related notes.)

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/cm11.pdf#page=80

Read the entire thing if you are TRULY concerned about the children. Pay special attention to the data regarding who actually injures and kills children. You will see study after study that child care providers are a mere blip on the radar.


Exhibit 3–H Victims by Perpetrator Relationship, 2011 (duplicate count)
Perpetrator Relationship
Relationship # PERCENTAGE


Mother 253,107 36.8

Father 130,670 19.0

Mother and Father 129,793 18.9

Mother and Other 38,927 5.7

Partner of Parent (Male) 16,734 2.4

Relative (Male) 19,905 2.8


Child Daycare Provider 2,474 0.4

You will find appalling crimes committed on a daily basis because nobody is watching the parents.

Start with cameras at home... then we will agree with your premise.

Most child abuse is done by immediate family.

[Unregistered]

Research

Would you do us the favor and actually DO the research?

Start here:

Perpetrator Relationship
Victim data were analyzed by relationship of (duplicate count) victims to their perpetrators. Four-fifths (81.2%) of victims were maltreated by a parent either acting alone or with someone else. Nearly two-fifths (36.8%) of victims were maltreated by their mother acting alone. One-fifth (19.0%) of victims were maltreated by their father acting alone. One-fifth (18.9%) of victims were maltreated by both parents. Thirteen percent (12.8%) of victims were maltreated by a perpetrator who was not a parent of the child. (See exhibit 3–H and related notes.)

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/cm11.pdf#page=80

Read the entire thing if you are TRULY concerned about the children. Pay special attention to the data regarding who actually injures and kills children. You will see study after study that child care providers are a mere blip on the radar.


Exhibit 3–H Victims by Perpetrator Relationship, 2011 (duplicate count)
Perpetrator Relationship
Relationship # PERCENTAGE


Mother 253,107 36.8

Father 130,670 19.0

Mother and Father 129,793 18.9

Mother and Other 38,927 5.7

Partner of Parent (Male) 16,734 2.4

Relative (Male) 19,905 2.8


Child Daycare Provider 2,474 0.4

You will find appalling crimes committed on a daily basis because nobody is watching the parents.

Start with cameras at home... then we will agree with your premise.

You imply that I have not done my research, thanks for that. But you seem to miss the point. I am only interested in the in-home daycare problem. To redirect me to peoples homes, where most of the abuse takes place is an odd argument for not doing what I am go to do. Because the number or percentage is small relative to actual parental abuse, does that mean that nothing should be done? Perhaps you should tell that to the family that had their kids hurt or worse at the hands of their provider. I had a good friends child died an in-daycare. I have seen what it does to a family, on both sides.

But thank you for posting some research. I really to appreciate it.

[Unregistered]

I'll bite.

Give us the numbers.

Quote: "Here is a fact, kids are routinely abused in the in-home daycare, emotionally, physically and sexually. Children also have died in daycare, often at the hands of their care provider. The numbers are staggering..."

So answer that ^^ since those are the staggering numbers you are referring to.

[nannyde]

You imply that I have not done my research, thanks for that. But you seem to miss the point. I am only interested in the in-home daycare problem. To redirect me to peoples homes, where most of the abuse takes place is an odd argument for not doing what I am go to do. Because the number or percentage is small relative to actual parental abuse, does that mean that nothing should be done? Perhaps you should tell that to the family that had their kids hurt or worse at the hands of their provider. I had a good friends child died an in-daycare. I have seen what it does to a family, on both sides.

But thank you for posting some research. I really to appreciate it.

You are missing the point. We RECEIVE these kids. We bring them into our HOME and assume their care. By receiving them we are put into the window of opportunity of being the abuser.

We are at a much greater risk of being accused of harming a kid a parent, relative, boyfriend, or girlfriend abused then a kid is of being abused by us.

Don't you care about the safety of kids away from daycare? We are less than a half of one percent of the perpetrators. This number INCLUDES anyone who is babysitting formally or informally, home providers, and center workers. Home child care providers care for a small percentage of the kids in daycare. We can't even be a fourth of the .04 percent.

Not to mention your plan isn't anything new. Other companies do the same thing. A $2500 offer to the center to install free equipment won't cover a month of staff time dealing with parents who want tape reviewed because snowflake got a boo boo.

The other issue is that cameras are useless unless a dedicated person is watching them. They are only valuable AFTER an incident.

I've done a few years of watching two centers cameras and with three DECADES of child care experience, it took me quite a while to figure out what I was seeing to PREVENT injury and abuse. A single fixed camera without audio gives about 15 percent of what is actually going on in the room. The staff figure out VERY quickly where the blind spots are and how to arrange themselves, the room, and the kids to decrease that 15 percent.

Just as casino cameras are useless if there isn't staff to watch them... child care cameras are also. Centers must have someone dedicated to watching them or they are just parent pleasers.

If you are doing home day care you have even a worse plan. Why in the world would a provider have you put cameras in and draw a fee from the parents when they could go to Costco and pay less than a grand and charge the parents a fee each month for the service? They don't need you.

[Unregistered]

Research

I'm still in the middle of my work day. I will post tonight or tomorrow.

[Unregistered]

Question:

Could you please provide details on the business below? Very progressive. I'm interested.
Thanks D

We have multiple cameras inside and out. Parents are allowed to watch via an app and it is universally loved by all parents. We do not record sound nor can parents listen in. That would be one step too far. It is part of our contract with the families and not one has had a problem.

It is not about whether or not the parents trust you, it is to protect the children and to provide answers to how that bump happened or any other kind of event that a parent should know about. It is nice to be trusted, but not everybody will believe you. So the protection goes both ways. The childcare providers have protection against bogus accusations, which happens all the time. If you read all of the parent comments on Yelp or my home page, you would realize how important accountability is to these people. If you can take your dog to a doggie daycare and watch your dog play, why can't you do that with your child?

We are a few weeks away from launching the company and we are planning on franchising it so that as many kids can be monitored by their families as soon as possible. We will also be paying the daycare providers over $2500.00 per year to be part of our program.

If this business, in home daycare, didn't have such a negative stigma attached, there would no need for monitoring. But is does and frankly, if you read the papers or do the research, you will find appalling crimes committed on a daily basis because nobody is watch the people watching our children.

I own my in home daycare, and I cannot imagine not granting access to the people that are not only giving me their child, but they are also paying all of my bills with the enrollment. I owe the the right to see what goes on here.

Times are changing and this industry is going to as well. I am committed to making that happen, nationwide.

[nannyde]

I have been using cameras since day one and is has been the best $500.00 I ever spent. The peace of mind that the families that have placed their children in our care is off the charts. They love being able to watch their children play during an often hard work day. They also can see every time a child gets a bump or bruise because we send them the clip right after the minor injury.

Everybody that works her and has their children here knows that they are being watch and recorded and nobody has a problem with it. When we have other peoples children, there is no right to privacy.

It has worked so well that I am starting a company that will offer to install cameras in the home daycare facilities and we will be paying them to do it. When you have 24 parents that come to you and request our upcoming service, saying no to them will create distrust and they will wonder what you are hiding. I would love to hear more feedback on this topic.

I hope you came across this when you did your research.

https://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p70-135.pdf

Almost one-quarter of all preschoolers
were cared for in organized
facilities, with day care centers
(13 percent) being more commonly
used than nursery or preschools
(6 percent). Overall, other nonrelatives
provided home-based care to
11 percent of preschoolers, with
5 percent cared for by family day
care providers. The stat was really 4.6 percent but we can round it to five. (Table one)

If home day care is your target market, you picked the smallest market in the child care business.

You said "I have been using cameras since day one and is has been the best $500.00 I ever spent."

If you can pull it off for five hundred bucks for your home daycare, why do you believe there is a market to have you as a middle man receiving income from the small number of parents who send their kids to home daycare? Remember there are sib groups within that small number that have the same parent paying too.

If there is money to be made by doing cameras in in home daycare... why would we need you? $2500 a year wouldn't be enough money to get providers to let you have the rest of the money that could be made... since you must believe there is a profit to you after giving the provider a couple of hundred dollars a month.

[Blackcat31]

If you are doing home day care you have even a worse plan. Why in the world would a provider have you put cameras in and draw a fee from the parents when they could go to Costco and pay less than a grand and charge the parents a fee each month for the service? They don't need you.

You said "I have been using cameras since day one and is has been the best $500.00 I ever spent."

If you can pull it off for five hundred bucks for your home daycare, why do you believe there is a market to have you as a middle man receiving income from the small number of parents who send their kids to home daycare? Remember there are sib groups within that small number that have the same parent paying too.

If there is money to be made by doing cameras in in home daycare... why would we need you? $2500 a year wouldn't be enough money to get providers to let you have the rest of the money that could be made... since you must believe there is a profit to you after giving the provider a couple of hundred dollars a month.

Right?? I don't need a service of ANY kind.

I DO have cameras in my program and I spent more than $500 but as tech savvy as I am NOT, I certainly don't need to involve someone else in my system of recording and documenting the day to day activities of my program and parents most certainly don't want a 3rd party (a virtual stranger) to be privy to the info both they and I share back and forth among us.

Wonder what kind of credentials this person could provide? As a parent, I'd want to know your mother's half cousin twice removed's blood type and I'd want to know every tiny detail of every person that could potentially have access to these cameras and the footaged produced. Will it be archived? For how long? where? In what manner? Is it mine (the provider/the parent/the child) and I can access it and keep it for future use?

Oh my goodness, the endless questions I would have as both a parent and a provider and then let's not forget the child...Tom Copeland said a minor child CAN potentially come back and sure for something that happened in their childhood so their adult input counts too...

Information always comes with responsibility and liability.

The liability aspect alone for just the camera monitoring company is staggering when you really think about it...

NOT something I would ever ever ever involve myself in.

Right now the BIGGEST complaint providers have is the intrusion of government regulations and parents that try to run their businesses....I can't fathom a family provider that would intentionally invite more of that over-reaching idealism into their homes.

[Heart12]

right now the biggest complaint providers have is the intrusion of government regulations and parents that try to run their businesses....i can't fathom a family provider that would intentionally invite more of that over-reaching idealism into their homes.

this.