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  • #16
    Originally posted by Miss Joy View Post
    I posted a while back about whether or not to take DHS payment and had decided not to when my interview no showed. Well as much as I hate to I think I might have to rethink it for right now. I quite my job after Memorial Day to opened the daycare June 1, I only have one child right now with a teachers possibly starting very part time in July and then full time in September. Every other call that I have gotten is either for nights or DHS. I have actually had about 5 calls asking if I was hiring because the newspaper has the Licensed Daycare section right above the HELP WANTED section and apparently people don't pay attention.

    So anyway I just had a lady call with a 2 and 4 year old, DHS, wants to change daycares because the other one just puts them in front of the TV and does nothing with them. She wants to stop over today after work, so I told her that she could stop over, if we are all in agreement that it's a good fit....me, her and the kids....I will seriuosly coinsider it. She did say that she is very forgetful as far as submitting her hours etc. so she has given the other provider her username and password to the site so that the provider can do it....what are your thoughts on that? OH, and she works 6:30-3:00..I normally don't open until 8:00 UGG.

    I really didn't want to get into taking DHS but I also can't afford to have only one child. I have never taken DHS before I really don't have any idea how to even get started.

    More a vent than anything else but if you have any advice please feel free to share. Thanks!
    MI DHS is a big pain. But here is a breakdown of how it would work. Contact DHS and explain that you are new to home daycare and have a potential client who has DHS daycare subsidy and you need to know what you need to do to register to be able to report hours to them. They will send you an ID and password.

    For the potential client you mentioned, it seems like she already has been approved so it should only be a matter of changing the provider ID to your number (once you get it). I have seen it take anywhere from 2 weeks to months. If she has already been approved, she should have an approval letter. This will tell you 2 things: 1) how many hours they are approved for every 2 weeks (biweekly) & 2) what percentage DHS pays. The hours are based on the hours the parent needs for work, school, and commute. basically, what they need, they are approved for, up to a maximum of 90 biweekly (45 per week). The percentage is based on the parent's income and can be 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, or 100%.

    DHS reimburses at $2.40 per hour for children over 2 1/2 years old; $2.90 per hour for children under 2 1/2 years old. Now this is the FULL RATE.

    Example: The child is 4 years old, the approved hours are 75 hrs biweekly (37.5 per week), and the percentage is 70%. You get $1.68 per hour ($2.40 per hour * 70%) that the child is in care or out due to sickness. So you would have to bill the parent for the difference (co-pay) between what DHS will pay and what you charge. Plus, the parent would be responsible for anytime over the 75 hours biweekly (or 37.5 hours weekly).

    Many parents try to argue about this, but DHS does state in their handbooks that the Parent is responsible for any difference between what they pay and what the provider charges.

    Here's one problem. It's difficult to have a pre-payment with DHS clients because you don't know how many hours they will actually USE ahead of time each week. They may be booked for 40 hours, but really only use 35 (due to picking up early, or dropping off later).

    Another issue is the reporting and payment schedule. Here's an example of the schedule:
    6/6 - 6/19 providing care
    6/20 you report the hours
    7/1 you get the check for dates of service 6/6 -6/19
    So you are not getting paid by DHS until 2-4 weeks after you provided the care. That means that you are providing food, toys, crafts, etc and are working for free (except the co-pay from the parent) for almost 4 weeks before you get paid by DHS.

    If this client does not have an approval letter to show you, tell her that she will have to pay the full amount out of pocket until DHS kicks in. When it kicks in, you can back bill DHS. When you get the check from DHS, you reimburse the client for the amount (of DHS's portion) they pre-paid. It is a really big pain, but it's better than waiting months for payment only to have them drop you and come to find out they never submitted the paperwork to have them placed under your ID. Then you have to go to court and try to get the hundreds or thousands of dollars they owe.

    Sorry there's so much information. If you want you can PM me or send me a message. There are many, many more warnings about DHS clients that I can tell you and the solutions I have in place to protect myself.

    As for reporting for her - NO WAY ON EARTH!! You would be inviting a fraud investigation. Do NOT put your license at risk for ANYONE! Some providers make the parents report from the provider's computer during pickup at the end of the reporting cycle. I think I will be doing that since I just had a client who "forgot" to report for 6 weeks! Also, on their invoice that they get each week, I have a chart that shows the day, date, time in, time out, actual time, and time reported to DHS (because it gets rounded). This way they know what I'm reporting and why and it gives me further proof (plus the sign in/out sheets) in the event I get audited.

    Number one rule when taking DHS clients or anyone for that matter - COVER YOUR OWN A**!! Number 2 rule - Never take someone at their word. Get it in writing - always!

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    • #17
      I am assuming that she has the approval letter just by talking to her so it should just be a matter of me getting my numbers. ( I won't assume, I will ask for a copy : ) If this takes weeks or months couldn't I just pick a figure say 150.00 per week or something that I know will be under what DHS is going to pay me and have the Mom pay me that weekly until I start getting paid by DHS and then reimburse her minus her portion. So that if something happens I'm not totally out but yet I'm not guessing at the hours that will be used either.

      OH, this is so confusing I should be sleeping and I am up worrying about this. I think when she brings the kids today for our little trial/I just don't want to deal with my kids on my day off day I am going to tell her that I will call her Monday and give her my final yes or no so that I have time to get things straight in my head and on paper. Maybe in the mean time I will get a call from somebody else that's not DHS

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      • #18
        Originally posted by mac60 View Post
        If you can't, as a parent, remember on a weekly basis to enter your information, I would not want a parent like that, shows they are not very responsible.
        i disagree. i'd much rather a parent say, "here's my info. type in what you want to make sure you get paid and ON TIME!" instead of not saying anything and dealing with late payments.

        i pay some of my bills through automatic bank drafting - does that make me irresponsible? it's basically the same thing. i give the power co. my bank info. so they can take the money when it's due based on what they say i've used without me having to remember the date the power bill is due along with my ten other bills.

        the parent in this case is being responsible if you ask me.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by professionalmom View Post
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          For the potential client you mentioned, it seems like she already has been approved so it should only be a matter of changing the provider ID to your number (once you get it). I have seen it take anywhere from 2 weeks to months. If she has already been approved, she should have an approval letter. This will tell you 2 things: 1) how many hours they are approved for every 2 weeks (biweekly) & 2) what percentage DHS pays. The hours are based on the hours the parent needs for work, school, and commute. basically, what they need, they are approved for, up to a maximum of 90 biweekly (45 per week). The percentage is based on the parent's income and can be 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, or 100%.

          Number one rule when taking DHS clients or anyone for that matter - COVER YOUR OWN A**!! Number 2 rule - Never take someone at their word. Get it in writing - always!
          What do you think of this, it just came to me in the shower Since it could takes weeks or months for me to get my numbers and I am not going to watch her kids and not get paid until then. What if I tell her that there are two options that I'm willing to do 1. She pays me in full until I get those numbers and I will start billing as of then but not back date. Back dating seems like a huge pain. I will just act like they started coming to daycare the day that I get my numbers. or

          2. I will call her when I get my numbers and we can start from there, she already has daycare she just doesn't like it, she doesn't think the kids do enough so it's not like she doesn't have anybody to watch the kids until I get my numbers. This way to, it gives me some time to get my ducks in a row and maybe another child or two lined up so my income isn't based so much on these two kids.

          I can't imagine that she is going want to pay me if full but then again she was driving a pretty nice car and did call to get my directions to plug into her GPS ( I don't have a GPS)

          What do you think?

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          • #20
            Well she was suppose to be here with the kids @ 9:00, it is now 9:46. I left her a message this morning at 8:00 plus called twice more with no response.

            As immature as it might sound, my curtains are pulled and I am no longer home. This a a HUGE red flag for me in an already iffy situation.

            I'm not going to do it.

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            • #21
              Go with your gut. She is not going to bring her children to your daycare.
              I see little people.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Miss Joy View Post
                Well she was suppose to be here with the kids @ 9:00, it is now 9:46. I left her a message this morning at 8:00 plus called twice more with no response.

                As immature as it might sound, my curtains are pulled and I am no longer home. This a a HUGE red flag for me in an already iffy situation.

                I'm not going to do it.
                I really hate to say this, but in my experience DHS clients are the most demanding, bossy, yet irresponsible and cheap clients I have ever had. The ones that I have had were the 20-22 years old single mothers who acted (and even told me) that they knew more about children than me (I'm 35 and have been taking care of children since before these mothers were even born!). They think they're child is a genius and if (s)he is not hitting milestones at least two months ahead of schedule, it's your fault. They also ask about "curriculum" for 6 month olds! Then they complain about every dollar and dime. They even try to "barter" the rate I charge, even though they have signed a contract that spells everything out in almost too much detail! I am sure there are some young single moms struggling and being very responsible and very accommodating and only use the assistance as a hand up rather than a hand out. I just wish some of them would find their way to my house! However, the ones I have had have treated me like I owe them something just because of their "situation".

                So I am not surprised that she flaked out on you. This is quite normal for the DHS crowd I have encountered in MI. They make interview appointments and no call no show; agree to start on a specific date so you hold the spot open and pass up others, just to get stood up or they call the day they are due to start and quit; they will start but as soon as money gets tight for them, they start trying to pick fights with you so they have a "reason" to quit. Oh, and many have a superiority complex where they think they own you and that you are their property. I had one tell me things like "YOU work for ME!" and "Maybe that's how it worked when you had a REAL job out in the REAL world". Needless to say, the DCM is gone. Oh, and she lost the SC lawsuit I filed against her. Karma!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by professionalmom View Post
                  I really hate to say this, but in my experience DHS clients are the most demanding, bossy, yet irresponsible and cheap clients I have ever had. The ones that I have had were the 20-22 years old single mothers who acted (and even told me) that they knew more about children than me (I'm 35 and have been taking care of children since before these mothers were even born!). They think they're child is a genius and if (s)he is not hitting milestones at least two months ahead of schedule, it's your fault. They also ask about "curriculum" for 6 month olds! Then they complain about every dollar and dime. They even try to "barter" the rate I charge, even though they have signed a contract that spells everything out in almost too much detail! I am sure there are some young single moms struggling and being very responsible and very accommodating and only use the assistance as a hand up rather than a hand out. I just wish some of them would find their way to my house! However, the ones I have had have treated me like I owe them something just because of their "situation".

                  So I am not surprised that she flaked out on you. This is quite normal for the DHS crowd I have encountered in MI. They make interview appointments and no call no show; agree to start on a specific date so you hold the spot open and pass up others, just to get stood up or they call the day they are due to start and quit; they will start but as soon as money gets tight for them, they start trying to pick fights with you so they have a "reason" to quit. Oh, and many have a superiority complex where they think they own you and that you are their property. I had one tell me things like "YOU work for ME!" and "Maybe that's how it worked when you had a REAL job out in the REAL world". Needless to say, the DCM is gone. Oh, and she lost the SC lawsuit I filed against her. Karma!
                  Yep, mostly just a bunch of low life idjits! JMO
                  I see little people.

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                  • #24
                    Well I opened the curtains and unlocked the doors, if they show up now I will just tell them that they can't stay. The baby is now sleeping in the playroom, should have called! Not that I really think they will show up, why do they do this, it is so stupid.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Childminder View Post
                      Yep, mostly just a bunch of low life idjits! JMO
                      Actually I think most of it stems from their insecurity as parents. They are in difficult situations and I am very happy that I am not in their shoes. However, this is business and they need to understand that when they sign a contract, they are responsible for the terms of that contract. And I am really tired of being told, "I'm a single mom, give me a break. I'm not lucky and have a husband like you do." Give me a break. It has nothing to do with luck (that I have a husband). It was responsible family planning. And it's NOT my fault that they are in their situations. I can sympathize until the cows come home, but it doesn't change the fact that "it's not my fault or my problem".

                      Like I said, I'm sure there are good, decent young, single parents out there working hard to get off assistance. I just have not had any of them come through my door yet.

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                      • #26
                        I would like to think that there are some hard working, honest people out there that just need a bit of help right now with the economy so bad. Somebody who would take the assistance for what it is, a helping hand, not a " right because I'm poor"

                        There was a period in our lives that my DH and I had to use it, he was in Mortuary School in Indiana, renting an apartment, paying utilities etc. and I was doing the same up here as well as paying daycare for our DD, all on my income. I was so grateful for the assistance, my DH hated take it but to me it was a godsend that I totally appreciated every single day that I had to use it. It was only for one year, once he graduated and got back to work we were fine but for that one year we needed the help. There has got to be people out there like us but so far I haven't run into any of them. I hate to group everybody together and just say that I don't take state pay but it's getting to that point

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Miss Joy View Post
                          I would like to think that there are some hard working, honest people out there that just need a bit of help right now with the economy so bad. Somebody who would take the assistance for what it is, a helping hand, not a " right because I'm poor"

                          There has got to be people out there like us but so far I haven't run into any of them. I hate to group everybody together and just say that I don't take state pay but it's getting to that point
                          Oh, how you are preaching to the choir. I WANT to say no more DHS, but over 80% of the calls I get are DHS. I would be completely out of business if I didn't take some. It's frustrating and I can't wait until my babies are born and my hubby puts in for his transfer to my home state of IL. It's not a LOT better, but nothing can be as bad as MI right now with this economy.

                          By the way, where ARE all the people like you - hardworking, just starting out, struggling, etc? I've actually been tempted to require an IQ test from the parents. I'm sorry but if you can't figure out what "2 weeks notice" means or understand "late payment fee: $5 per day assessed the day after the due date (usually at drop-off on Mondays)", I'm sorry you just can't be trusted to uphold a contractual agreement.

                          My MIL told me yesterday that when she was interviewing babysitters over 30 years ago, she told one girl that she was just looking for someone with "good common sense" and the girl replied, "what's common sense?" WHAT? Next ... Maybe that's what I should bring up during the interview process.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by professionalmom View Post

                            My MIL told me yesterday that when she was interviewing babysitters over 30 years ago, she told one girl that she was just looking for someone with "good common sense" and the girl replied, "what's common sense?" WHAT? Next ... Maybe that's what I should bring up during the interview process.
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                            • #29
                              DHS in MI

                              One of my biggest pain in the arse parents was a DHS single mom. She didn't want to pay the co-pay, which would have been fine considering that she worked 3rd shift and they were dropped off at bedtime and picked up at 7:30am. Not a problem for me, but then she started picking them up a little later each morning so when she started showing up at 8:30am, I told her that she would have to pay the co-pay unless she went back to her 7:30am pick-up. She just didn't want to have to drive out and pick them up and then drive them out here again to drop the boys off at school (I live pretty much next to the school). She then asked if she could just hang out until she had to take the boys to school and like a stupid idiot, I said OK but they aren't my responsibility, they are hers, and my house rules apply. It didn't last long because she fell asleep on the couch within the 1st week! But I digress...

                              I would never, ever even consider doing the billing for the parent. That is fraud and if the provider and parent were caught, they could get into a lot of trouble. It just isn't worth it.

                              Giving the parent your provider ID# or any other type of information isn't a guarantee that the parent will get approved. In the state of MI, they are allowed 45 days to decide if a family is approved and for how much and for how many hours. Never assume that a family will be approved, even if they have been approved in the past. I had a different DHS family who had always had the DHS billing and when the kids came back, I assumed that they would be approved. WRONG! The mom didn't comply with Workfirst and I didn't get paid for about 9 weeks of fulltime care for 2 kids! Always get pre-paid for your weekly tuition in advance and just let the parent know that if they are approved, you will refund the amount that the state paid (but make sure that you factor in the copay).

                              Good luck!

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                              • #30
                                Wow.

                                Originally posted by professionalmom View Post
                                I really hate to say this, but in my experience DHS clients are the most demanding, bossy, yet irresponsible and cheap clients I have ever had. The ones that I have had were the 20-22 years old single mothers who acted (and even told me) that they knew more about children than me (I'm 35 and have been taking care of children since before these mothers were even born!). They think they're child is a genius and if (s)he is not hitting milestones at least two months ahead of schedule, it's your fault. They also ask about "curriculum" for 6 month olds! Then they complain about every dollar and dime. They even try to "barter" the rate I charge, even though they have signed a contract that spells everything out in almost too much detail! I am sure there are some young single moms struggling and being very responsible and very accommodating and only use the assistance as a hand up rather than a hand out. I just wish some of them would find their way to my house! However, the ones I have had have treated me like I owe them something just because of their "situation".

                                So I am not surprised that she flaked out on you. This is quite normal for the DHS crowd I have encountered in MI. They make interview appointments and no call no show; agree to start on a specific date so you hold the spot open and pass up others, just to get stood up or they call the day they are due to start and quit; they will start but as soon as money gets tight for them, they start trying to pick fights with you so they have a "reason" to quit. Oh, and many have a superiority complex where they think they own you and that you are their property. I had one tell me things like "YOU work for ME!" and "Maybe that's how it worked when you had a REAL job out in the REAL world". Needless to say, the DCM is gone. Oh, and she lost the SC lawsuit I filed against her. Karma!
                                What a bunch of twits you all are. DHS mothers are working and trying to make a living to provide for their children. Maybe you have dealt with a few rotten apples, but it seems very childish to judge others based on their need for assistance. Also, it sounds like these mothers take pride in their children and are showing a huge interest in their well being. Maybe you should shut up and do your job, and stop complaining about those "less fortunate" than yourself. I think they are wise to find someone who cares about their children and less obsessed with dollars and cents.

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